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The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (2370 bytes)
Posted: 9/22/2006 • 20:26 GMT+8
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The Philippines is a Spanish creation. Without Spain, there would have been no Philippines to talk about. If we weren't conquered by Spain, we would have ended up as either separate warring kingdoms/tribes (tribu de los tagalos, tribu de las visayas, tribu de los ilocanos, tribu de los mangyanes, etc.) or a Portuguese/Indonesian territory (which would have been pretty worse; just recall the fate of Dili, Timor Oriental).
Indeed, God works in mysterious ways. I may sound biased here because I'm a Filipino, but I feel that there is something special, something mystifying, something divine with our country's destiny. The union of Spain and the Philippines is, to my opinion, one of the most awe-inspiring cultural disseminations in the annals of human civilization.
Just look around you: the Hispanic rhythm is still around us.
No matter how American neocolonialism (together with their local lackeys) tries to murder our identity, it refuses to die -- Just like Freddie Krueger and Jason Vorhees.
The thing is, our Spanish past are no monsters but angels. I can still remember the spiritual pulchritude I feel whenever I'm with the devout old folks. They are perhaps the last remaining Filipinos that we have, with all the graceful manners and chivalry that they have imbibed from Iberian culture.
Of all Spain's overseas provinces, it was only the Philippines that was named after a king. Ironically, it is the only country now who abandoned its Hispanic soul.
It is high time that we all fall silent to this foolishness and reflect the folly of our thoughts. Forget, shun, and curse what you have heard in the classrooms. They are but inexactitudes, inaccuracies, lies.
Go back to your roots, Filipino youth. The spirit of Rizal, Recto, Balmori, Macapagal (not the EVIL Macapagal of today, but the former president before Marcos) and all the others are calling out to you...
It's time that we treat our history with a much impartial and fresher appraisal.
Discuss without hatred, but with care and sense and a yearning for the truth.
May the Good Lord, who used Spain in order for us to learn about his only begotten Son's good news to humanity, bless this nation.
Come to think of it, it wasn't Spain who created the Philippines, after all.
It's the Roman Catholic Church.
¡Viva la raza filipina!
José Mario "Pepe" Alas
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (256 bytes)
Posted: 11/22/2006 • 00:06 GMT+8
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I think we should use our Spanish language and culture to discover our pre-Spanish past, by researching and reading the historical Spanish texts that are in all of the district offices and universities in the Philippines that no one is paying attention to.
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (979 bytes)
Posted: 12/6/2006 • 11:34 GMT+8
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Do you think that before the Spaniards, Philippines did not exist? Before the Spaniards came "Philippines" did have a different name, I can't remember off the top of my head what it was.
The reason why Philippines did not hold on to the Spanish language is because the civilization pre Spain was already established. Meaning they had their own language already. Tell me a country today in Asia that was colonized by the Dutch, French, English and Span that speaks those language as their official language? The thing that Spain taught the Filipinos is probably materialism and religion (not saying that its a negative), because lets face it why did the Europeans colonize parts of Asia? Gold, spices, land and goods.
But like most colonizers, they oppressed the native people, rape, lynch and enslave, etc. Maybe that is also why Spanish was not retained as the language.
I heard there was a province that uses Spanish as their dialect. Do you guys know if this is true?
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (1295 bytes)
Posted: 12/10/2006 • 04:46 GMT+8
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I come from Manila, so a person from Zamboanga or Cavite can better answer your question, but those are the regions you're talking about, they don't speak SPANISH, but they speak a creole Spanish that is basically Spanish mixed with indigenous Tagalog and Cebuano words. It's SUPPOSED to be called Zamboangeño and Caviteño, and that's what the elders call it, but in normal Filipino conversation it's called CHABACANO, a word that has a negative connatation in Spanish meaning "dirty", which is why the elders prefer Zamboangueño and Caviteño, but because most Filipinos don't speak Spanish, they don't know that everytime they explain to a foreigner or (ESPECIALLY A SPANISH SPEAKING PERSON) that the creole language is called CHABACANO, they don't realize that they're saying the word DIRTY in Spanish, which of course sounds completely inappropiate.
I personally have been trying to appeal to people in forums to NOT USE THE WORD CHABACANO ANYMORE, especially when talking to Spanish speaking persons, because it just makes our country another reason for ridicule, but thank God I'm posting it here in the Government of Philippines forum in the hope that someone from the Department of Education will read this, and that they will do something in the education system to teach differently.
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (903 bytes)
Posted: 1/23/2007 • 19:45 GMT+8
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How said that you feel obliged to ask people to stop using the word CHABACANO because of its definition in the Spanish language as "dirty" or "trash."
Despite its meaning to speakers of the Spanish language, Chabacano refers to a dialect mixing Tagalog and Spanish. Linguists to this day are still studying it, identifying it as one of a number of Creole languages that have sprung up in the wake of Spanish colonization. Conferences are being held to study Chabacano. In Zamboanga, officials are making an effort to preserve the language, documenting the vocabulary and the grammar and the literature.
I am dismayed to read you, FilipnoEspanol, saying you want the word Chabacano suppressed. It is "dirty" only to those who feel inferior to their colonizers. To us who speak the language, it is the symbol of our heritage, of how the ever resilient Filipinos adapted to Spanish colonial rule.
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (3504 bytes)
Posted: 2/13/2007 • 07:31 GMT+8
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Quote: Creolina posted on 1/23/2007 | 19:45
“How said that you feel obliged to ask people to stop using the word CHABACANO because of its definition in the Spanish language as "dirty" or "trash."
Despite its meaning to speakers of the Spanish language, Chabacano refers to a dialect mixing Tagalog and Spanish. Linguists to this day are still studying it, identifying it as one of a number of Creole languages that have sprung up in the wake of Spanish colonization. Conferences are being held to study Chabacano. In Zamboanga, officials are making an effort to preserve the language, documenting the vocabulary and the grammar and the literature.
I am dismayed to read you, FilipnoEspanol, saying you want the word Chabacano suppressed. It is "dirty" only to those who feel inferior to their colonizers. To us who speak the language, it is the symbol of our heritage, of how the ever resilient Filipinos adapted to Spanish colonial rule. ”
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Hi Creolina
My goodness dear, bakit ang galit mo? Yan lang, I didn't mean to offend you nor put down the beautiful Chavacano tongue. I agree with you that it is a symbol of how the TAGALOGS, ILONGOS, CEBUANOS (as in our tribal names) adapted to Spanish rule. I've just conversated with a lot of YOUR elders from YOUR villages, Zamboanga and Cavite, who feel that the use of Chabacano is inappropiate as well in certain circumstances.
I meant that Filipinos should watch what they say and how they phrase things, because you have to admit, sometimes Pinoys don't have tact and explain certain things about our culture well when speaking to foreigners in describing our country, and it makes us look bad. I can read so many tourist books that describe Chabacano as a "b@st@rdized Spanish language", in those exact words, and many other inappropiate uses of the English or Spanish language to represent our country, and it aids in helping the bad rep~t@tion that our country has, because regardless of how proud a country is of it's heritage, it always should take the time to take care of it's public image, and that's something that the Philippines doesn't do too well sometimes, and I'm not the only one who feels this way because there are a lot of articles in the INQ7 and Manila Standard where my mom used to be a reporter about this topic, that we Filipinos should take better care in our public image, in the exact words we use to describe our culture and country.
I think among us, we know what Chabacano is, but for example, if a tour guide says to a Spanish speaker who's interested in learning about the country, but doesn't know that we're referring to, if you say "We speak Chabacano here in Zamboanga." And then they change the topic without fully explaining that Chabacano is referring to the Spanish creole, then the Spanish speaker will of course interpret it from his vocabulary, and just assume that they speak "dirty" there, and will be confused. And sometimes, Filipinos, due to lack of education sometimes, don't take time to explain certain things about our culture to foreigners, and that's what I meant, that you should explain it well or not use the word at all, because of how it could be misconstrued. I didn't mean we should change the whole name of something that Filipinos in those areas take a lot of pride for.
Paano mo alam na may feeling ko na inferior sa mga Spaniards? If anything, I take pride in my country MORE in that I want our country to be represented in a more respectable light.
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (162 bytes)
Posted: 3/6/2007 • 00:44 GMT+8
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ANYONE WHO HATES SPAIN OR HATES THE SPANISH LANGUAGE IS SIMPLY A AN AMERICAN MADE TRASH WHO LOVES AMERICA AND THE AMERICAN DREAM THAT IS BASICALLY A RACIST TRASH.
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (409 bytes)
Posted: 3/17/2007 • 17:55 GMT+8
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Quote: hate86 posted on 3/6/2007 | 00:44
“ANYONE WHO HATES SPAIN OR HATES THE SPANISH LANGUAGE IS SIMPLY A AN AMERICAN MADE TRASH WHO LOVES AMERICA AND THE AMERICAN DREAM THAT IS BASICALLY A RACIST TRASH.”
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Look who's being racist. I just read your cr~ppy comment regarding [i]anything[/i] Chinese.
China is the world's fourth largest economy. Where does any Latin American country place?
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (573 bytes)
Posted: 3/27/2007 • 12:01 GMT+8
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Quote: hate86 posted on 3/6/2007 | 00:44
“ANYONE WHO HATES SPAIN OR HATES THE SPANISH LANGUAGE IS SIMPLY A AN AMERICAN MADE TRASH WHO LOVES AMERICA AND THE AMERICAN DREAM THAT IS BASICALLY A RACIST TRASH.”
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From what I've read of the Philippine history, it is unique among asian countries because of its interactions with other countries such as China, Spain, Japan, United States, etc.. Your country is like no other on the face of the earth and I would treasure all your history. Your ancestors certainly paid a high price to bring it to their children.
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (662 bytes)
Posted: 4/22/2007 • 22:40 GMT+8
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The Philippines was the Philippines before Spanish established it as a colony. I think things would be different if they had not come, but on a good note (even though I may not agree with everything Catholic, it is something Christian) was the establishment of Catholicism.
In any other event, I believe the Philippines would be something else if it were it's own, but I suppose that's not how it turned out. Whether that was ordained by God or not, I don't know. What I do know is that with or without the Spanish influence, the Filipino people are who they are today not because of the Spanish but because of them who make up the country of the Philippines.
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (2072 bytes)
Posted: 4/28/2007 • 18:26 GMT+8
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Quote: mysticknight posted on 4/22/2007 | 22:40
“The Philippines was the Philippines before Spanish established it as a colony. I think things would be different if they had not come, but on a good note (even though I may not agree with everything Catholic, it is something Christian) was the establishment of Catholicism.
In any other event, I believe the Philippines would be something else if it were it's own, but I suppose that's not how it turned out. Whether that was ordained by God or not, I don't know. What I do know is that with or without the Spanish influence, the Filipino people are who they are today not because of the Spanish but because of them who make up the country of the Philippines.”
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you just contradicted yourself by saying: " the Filipino people are who they are today not because of the Spanish but because of them who make up the country of the philippines."
without the spanish whether for good or ill in hindsight there would have been no filipinos. the very terms filipino and philippines were of spanish origin. back then there was no country. there was no nation state like we do now.
my ancestors were separate nations with their own social organizations and were foreigners to each other.
the people that make up the philippines today owe its national consciousness called filipino because the spanish administered us a single political entity. from there we became independent and the first republic of asia was born.
the people who make the philippines has a legacy of hispanic thought which makes one people possible. the influential thoughts on nationhood is written in filipino spanish.
the people who make up the philippines today has a cultural fusion with spain that makes our diverse linguistic groups share a common history. along with it is the history on the political process of inclusion called filipino citizenship.
without the spanish forcing my ancestors to share the same plight no country nor a people called philippines and filipinos would even have been born.
spearman
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (728 bytes)
Posted: 4/28/2007 • 18:27 GMT+8
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Quote: mysticknight posted on 4/22/2007 | 22:40
“The Philippines was the Philippines before Spanish established it as a colony. I think things would be different if they had not come, but on a good note (even though I may not agree with everything Catholic, it is something Christian) was the establishment of Catholicism.
In any other event, I believe the Philippines would be something else if it were it's own, but I suppose that's not how it turned out. Whether that was ordained by God or not, I don't know. What I do know is that with or without the Spanish influence, the Filipino people are who they are today not because of the Spanish but because of them who make up the country of the Philippines.”
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You Make the Label, The Label Doesn't Make You • (1101 bytes)
Posted: 5/4/2007 • 10:00 GMT+8
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Nope, I definitely didn't contradict myself. The term "Philippines" is actually English for "Filipinas/Felipinas" which is the Spanish word for "Philippines" and "Pilipinas" which is Tagalog.
My point is that those are just words. I mean most of the time Hispanic people here in the US don't know what to call themselves because there's so many names for them (ie. Latino, Spanish, Hispanic) Those are just labels. In any case, with or without Spanish influence the people of the Philippines would be known by some other word whether it be Tagalogs, Bisayans, Indians of some sort, or whatever. You make the label or the name, not the other way around. That's my point. The Philippines is the creation of it's people. Sure, the Spanish did do things like establish government among other things but it was you and your people that once Spanish dominion was over rose up and took the helm to show the world that you are a country and you are a people.
So, I'll say it again, regardless of Spanish or American involvement, the people who inhabit the country are who what make it what it is today.
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (1068 bytes)
Posted: 5/6/2007 • 23:31 GMT+8
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I can give some credits for the Spanish people. BUt if you look into the history of our nation. Spaniards, who came into our country we're all criminals, low life scums and are all f#ggot! Remember the three G's? GOD-GOLD-GLORY their main objectives?... So technically, we owe them nothing at all. Do you thank them for shooting/killing our kinsmen? Plus they did use the "religion thing" to manipulate us. And the worst part of it? They treated our women as if they're nothing but slot machines. Even the so called priest during those days we're one h^rny little b@st@rds. No offense to the spanish community. But these are facts that will remain, generations to generations. And hey! did you know that they brought all sorts of immoral things here? The exsistence of casa and gambling,and many more... If you want proof of these remarks, read Noli Me Tangere and El Fili. And the works of Filipino writers during those days.
SO DEFINETLY WE, FILIPINOs ARE NOT A FREAKING CREATION OF THE SPANISH COLONY. NEITHER BY THE AMS AND THE JAPS!
-Super SON KAMOTE LVL 3™
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re:You Make the Label, The Label Doesn't Make You • (3100 bytes)
Posted: 5/19/2007 • 03:09 GMT+8
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Quote: mysticknight posted on 5/4/2007 | 10:00
“Nope, I definitely didn't contradict myself. The term "Philippines" is actually English for "Filipinas/Felipinas" which is the Spanish word for "Philippines" and "Pilipinas" which is Tagalog.
My point is that those are just words. I mean most of the time Hispanic people here in the US don't know what to call themselves because there's so many names for them (ie. Latino, Spanish, Hispanic) Those are just labels. In any case, with or without Spanish influence the people of the Philippines would be known by some other word whether it be Tagalogs, Bisayans, Indians of some sort, or whatever. You make the label or the name, not the other way around. That's my point. The Philippines is the creation of it's people. Sure, the Spanish did do things like establish government among other things but it was you and your people that once Spanish dominion was over rose up and took the helm to show the world that you are a country and you are a people.
So, I'll say it again, regardless of Spanish or American involvement, the people who inhabit the country are who what make it what it is today.”
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sorry. but yes you did. your understanding was that there was a nation state prior to spanish colonization. second, the pre-hispanic people became filipinos precisely because of the spanish historical experience shared by the different nations as a single political unit. the majority of filipinos or the christianized lowlanders inculcated spanish culture with their pre-hispanic traditions. the cosmology alone of the filipinos were no longer exactly the same with that of the pre-spanish past because of that cultural introduction into the belief system of the people. for instance, filipinos are filipinos because we dont observe as matter of cultural tradition thanksgiving, hallowen or the chinese lunar new year. we no longer pay homage to our animist based gods and goddesses of our ancestral past. our grass roots festivites now revolve around the barrio fiesta. our gods and goddesses are resurrected into saints, the santo nino and the virgin mary of that particular barrio or that particular city. its a fusion of both cultures and therefore the lens of natives who have now become filipinos view the world through it. in short, the pre-hispanic natives of different nations and its diverse islandic socio-political organizations - though we have a link to them because of tradition - are not exactly the same or the carbon copy of us the modern people who are now collectively known as filipinos. thats an irrevocable fact the brainwashed could never undo no matter how they've tried. the only thing historical revisionist could do is destroy the memory of the origins and transformation of pre-hispanic ways into a filipino culture and destroy the philippines itself. thats what they have been doing with their denials. again, thanks for this forum by the philippine govt in giving me a chance to correct misconceptions about my people. keep up the good work. viva las filipinas, mabuhay ang pilipinas.
spearman
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (1754 bytes)
Posted: 4/28/2008 • 03:33 GMT+8
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Quote: kamote_cue posted on 5/6/2007 | 23:31
“I can give some credits for the Spanish people. BUt if you look into the history of our nation. Spaniards, who came into our country we're all criminals, low life scums and are all f@gg*t! Remember the three G's? GOD-GOLD-GLORY their main objectives?... So technically, we owe them nothing at all. Do you thank them for shooting/killing our kinsmen? Plus they did use the "religion thing" to manipulate us. And the worst part of it? They treated our women as if they're nothing but slot machines. Even the so called priest during those days we're one h^rny little b@st@rds. No offense to the spanish community. But these are facts that will remain, generations to generations. And hey! did you know that they brought all sorts of immoral things here? The exsistence of casa and gambling,and many more... If you want proof of these remarks, read Noli Me Tangere and El Fili. And the works of Filipino writers during those days.
SO DEFINETLY WE, FILIPINOs ARE NOT A FREAKING CREATION OF THE SPANISH COLONY. NEITHER BY THE AMS AND THE JAPS!
-Super SON KAMOTE LVL 3™”
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i think your hatred por los espanoles is very misguided and frankly narrow-minded. Filipinos have an opportunity in the 21st Century to re-embrace its hispanic heritage and use it for the country's advantage. Our ties to Spain, Europe the Hispanic world can only benefit the Philippines through trade, tourism, sports and give Filipinos a better understanding of our own history. The Spaniards came to the Philippines for many reasons; be it religion, economic motives or others. I can't still figure out why the Americans came and stayed. And that's the difference between the two colonial powers, in my opinion.
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re:The Philippines is a Spanish Creation. • (1564 bytes)
Posted: 4/28/2008 • 04:42 GMT+8
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Filipinos have an undeniable Hispanic soul. Personally, I claim it, I celebrate it. It permeates throughout our culture,our food, our many dialects, even our present-day attitudes and mores. We just don't know it.
Unfortunately, we are unable to recognize our hispanidad because of our disconnection with the beautiful Spanish language and the greater Spanish-speaking world in which we have so much in common.
At the same time, we have an Asian soul.
Thus, the Filipino culture is a fusion of both Europe and Asia. It is this fusion that makes our country so unique, so rich, so wonderful. We are an Asian country with a Latin soul.
And in my opinion, the more things that make us unique as a people and as a nation is a benefit for our country. We become more interesting, more notable, more distinctive.
Our filipino/hispanic culture can serve to enhance trade opportunities with Europe and Latin America as well as Hispanics in the United States. It can be a selling point for attracting tourists from around the world. It can also give us a stronger sense of who we are as a people, because our past is our future.
We are unlike any other country in Asia. We have many similarities but also differences with Latin America as well. Finally, we are not a Little U.S. nor should we attempt to be. The more we want to emulate the U.S. the more we lose our own identity and rich cultural history.
For the 21st Century, we have so much more to gain by re-embracing el idioma castellano and our filipino/hispanic culture. Viva las Filipinas!
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Posted: 7/29/2008 • 02:56 GMT+8
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''THE PHILIPPINES ARE NOT A CREATION OF ANY ONE''
LAS FILIPINAS (la realidad de la nacion y sus gentes, su geografia y su pueblo) NO ES UNA CREACION DE ESPAÑA, si los españoles no hubieran aparecido por las islas, ahora seguramente se llamarian de otro modo pero seguirian existiendo sin deber nada a la madre patria (al igual que ahora). Si usted se refiere UNICAMENTE a el nombre de las filipinas es quizas lo unico que es creacion de los españoles, el resto seria lo mismo con o sin españa. Otras culturas habrian influenciado la vida de la nacion, y al final da lo mismo quien influyo o quien nombró, la realidad presente es lo que importa y eso es lo que es AHORA.
Crear controversia sobre quien creo o dejo de crear no aporta ningun beneficio a los serios problemas que afectan a la nacion hoy en dia, y si esta interesado en aportar soluciones en vez de mas problemas seria mejor que apuntase sus conjeturas en otra direccion mas provechosa para todos. Gracias...
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Posted: 8/13/2008 • 08:05 GMT+8
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Maybe The Phillipines can consider a special political relationship with Spain so they can have certain privileges in the EU in terms of trade, emigration, etc... Not a bad deal at all...
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Posted: 10/2/2008 • 22:04 GMT+8
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I agree that Christianity is in fact the most enduring & endearing legacy that Spain has left us. Howevcr, let's not also be biased towards ourselves. Though it's true that there was really no nation to talk about before the Spaniards came but small tribes & kingdoms, yet it is too premature & condescending to judge our ancestors of their incapacity & inability to forge a unity that may ultimately lead to the establishment of a nation. Remember that all powerful & influential nations today have been formed out of small tribes or kingdoms that have united together. People may form groups that may be antagonistic towards each other but they also have the capabilities to bond together. Every sociologist knows that.
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Posted: 12/16/2008 • 18:51 GMT+8
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You're showing colonial mentality. We cannot prosper because of that. We've got to believe in our own selves & in our capabilities.
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Quote: Amerikan posted on 12/6/2006 | 11:34
“Do you think that before the Spaniards, Philippines did not exist? Before the Spaniards came "Philippines" did have a different name, I can't remember off the top of my head what it was.
The reason why Philippines did not hold on to the Spanish language is because the civilization pre Spain was already established. Meaning they had their own language already. Tell me a country today in Asia that was colonized by the Dutch, French, English and Span that speaks those language as their official language? The thing that Spain taught the Filipinos is probably materialism and religion (not saying that its a negative), because lets face it why did the Europeans colonize parts of Asia? Gold, spices, land and goods.
But like most colonizers, they oppressed the native people, rape, lynch and enslave, etc. Maybe that is also why Spanish was not retained as the language.
I heard there was a province that uses Spanish as their dialect. Do you guys know if this is true?”
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I,m sorry, but if spanish is not speaking anymore in filipinas is because of USA. They changed even the name of the country.
Of course spanish wasn´t so extended, but was it more extended english in India in that time, where now is official lenguage? There was an official common lenguage in so many countries all over the world in 1898, when most of the people lived in the countryside with no schools at all? Have survived many native lenguages in Northamérica, or may be they didn´t considered civilization what was there hundreds years later than Spaniards arrived to Filipinas?
Spain never considered slaves people in filipinas. To slave a country you need many soldiers not priests. Have a look at the numbers of killed people in any kind of repressions or wars in Filipinas in 300 years and compare it with the ´"independence" war against America in a few years"
And consider that most of the killed were spanish speaking people, the same that fought against Spain. Even during the second war americans bombed Intramuros in Manila, where most spanish speaking lived, with the excuse there were still japanese there. There are reports of pilots protesting for that. Check about.
Politics are politics. I have nothing against american people, people is people everywhere. But we all have the ought, not only the right of knowing.
Saludos de corazón para todos.Julio
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